Session Start: Sat Dec 14 14:21:39 2002
(Cmell) then perhaps thats the main toxins to look out for
(JFull) Re stated Question: Will the Mississippi be joining Lake Machigan and will the river revers it's flow?
(QueenVee) Star: I will except that answer if you formulate it as directed: IF ANYONE HAS REGIONAL QUESTIONS: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that ZT has not already answered.
(NancyL) Lo folks. New images taken by Steve, courtesy of Naji who put up the $$, and BOY it is 1. bigger, 2 brighter, 3. showing moons larger, 4. showing dust cloud/tail more distinctly, 5 no question as to the Red and White.
(NancyL) Compared to last Dec 4th, these images taken on Dec 13th show that 1. the Red Persona (which IMO called a new object) is NOT THERE but has MOVED.
(Jurian) Nancy: can you check the troubled-times server? It's been down for almost a day now :/
(NancyL) 2. the White Persona has also moved to be SPOT ON where it should be between the Dec 6th and Dec 18th coordinate position.
(Fetus) Bow River info: Drainage area 26,200 square kilometers Length : 587 kilometers
(NancyL) Based on this ZetaTalk accuracy, which none of my detractors can claim, we're going to have a pole shift shortly after May 15, 2003!
(QueenVee) NANCY WILL BEGIN HER ZETATALK SESSION IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES. THE AGENDA IS NOW CLOSED FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS. MODERATION MODE WILL BE ON WHILE NANCY IS DOING ZETATALK, BUT THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RELATED COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
(Obany) Hello Nancy, yes I downloaded some of the files, looked at them, not sure where to look but I am sure that Steve is busy with it
(NancyL) JFull, no but Chicago will have plenty of lake water rushing through their undercity courseways, built to use Lake Michigan water.
(NancyL) This is in the Safe Locs docs, JFull
(NancyL) Jurian, I will go up and do a shutdown, then back up. We had a brief outage yesterday morning, and I forgot! Sorry. BRB
(Jurian) NancyL: no problem! :)
(HBO) NancyL: has the white personna also increased in size dramatically?
(NancyL) Jurian, it was down so I only had to restart. Should be OK in 5 min or less ...
(PegasiTristan) Volcanic ash link: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/Tephra/tephra.html
(Jurian) ok, good :)
(QueenVee) NANCY: I will feed you the questions one by one, when you're ready.
(NancyL) Obany, I put a link into the http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm page, but Steve will have to delete some FITS in order to make others available to the team. Anyone wanting a fast copy, go NOW there and start the Yahoo download.
(QueenVee) NANCY WILL BEGIN HER ZETATALK SESSION IN ABOUT 5 MINUTES. THE AGENDA IS NOW CLOSED FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS. MODERATION MODE WILL BE ON WHILE NANCY IS DOING ZETATALK, BUT THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RELATED COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
(Obany) NancyL: i already downloaded some of the files
(Zetapal) 1,1. 4,1~~* 11,1.o 8,1O
(NancyL) Queen, I'm ready!
(Zetapal) Planet Havas ! :)
(SteveH) hello :)
(SteveH) noooo Planet x
(PegasiTristan) just a thought
(QueenVee) okay Nancy
(RhymesWithSilver) Where can I read more about the Planet X?
(QueenVee) FIRST QUESTION: What is the real purpose behind the US government's push for enforced smallpox vaccination -- to truly protect military personnel, or something else? Will military personnel balk and refuse to take it ?
(NancyL) Rhymes, start with the ZT and TT web site and do some homework!
(NancyL) ZT: Smallpox reared its ugly head just after the 911 time frame, in concert with the Anthrax scare.
(NancyL) ZT: This was posed to be a theat from terrorists, but we explained at that time that Bush had in fact received very clear, though guarded, statements from Putin that he should pare back his ambitions to be a world dictator.
(NancyL) ZT: The US has smallpox, the Russians, but NOT in the hands of terrorists. So why the constant association with terrorists, and now pointing the finger at Iraq?
(NancyL) ZT: Russia in fact brought home their implicite threat to infect US personel, deep within the Bush enclaves, with smallpox, by infecting one of their moles working in NASA.
(NancyL) ZT: This happened months ago, was quickly identified, message delivered.
(NancyL) ZT: The mole was dispensible, of course was very sick though survived, but NO word of this infection on US soil was allowed to leak to the media.
(NancyL) ZT: Lately the Brits as well as the US are all afluster to innoculate their key personnel. What do they know that the general public does not?
(NancyL) ZT: Have any weapons of mass distruction been found in Iraq? No. Has the Bush crowd and Blair been war mongering on Iraq's borders? Yes.
(NancyL) ZT: Russia MOST DEFINITELY does not want the forces of Islam stirred up on their borders, which stretches out along their southern borders for thousands of miles.
(NancyL) ZT: Bush et al are oblivious to their concerns, and are pushing ahead, intent on SOME excuse to invade and claim Iraq oil for Israel and themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: Forget a rational reason, they will NOT excuse Iraq, even if NOTHING is found.
(NancyL) ZT: As Iraq has been firing on overflights in the no-fly zone, for years, since the Gulf War ended, this now has become an excuse to invade!
(NancyL) ZT: Not in the UN madates, the resolutions, but Bush is mandating it from his omipotent perch.
(NancyL) ZT: King of the world, ruler of all, setting rules as he goes along that the world must abide by, he rules.
(NancyL) ZT: The Russian reaction? To assume that their warning, sent into Houston's NASA chambers, was not heeded.
(NancyL) ZT: The Bush reaction? To plan for infection, which of course he and his crowd assume they will escape.
(NancyL) ZT: By innoculating the medical front line, they assume that any infection will NOT move beyond the hospitals.
(NancyL) ZT: They are wrong, as the infection planned in retaliation for any Iraq maneuvers is NOT where the medical front line can catch it.
(NancyL) ZT: The man on the street? He would go to the hospital, and all his associates quarantined.
(NancyL) ZT: The military man? He would be quarantined with his cadre.
(NancyL) ZT: The White House itself? Oops, too late to quarantine to protect Bush!
(NancyL) ZT: Watch for this drama to catch the Bush crowd unawares, and unprotected!
(NancyL) ZT: This is in place, to begin, IF and WHEN Bush is foolish enough to proceed with his world domination plans.
(NancyL) End ZT Followup?
(JubJub963) i thought Bush was innoculated
(Phoenix) What is the truth of the rumor (leaked by Israel) that US elite forces have for 3 months kept constant watch on the movements of Iraq's mobile, hidden WMD?
(Superzod) Exccellent stuff
(TerrorDactyl) hello folks
(NancyL) JubJub, what, per Bush? He lies.
(PegasiTristan) So, the military is not scared of another gulf war syndrome?
(Beta) wouldnt the mideast oil be useless after the PS?
(NancyL) innoculation has risks, and he's the coward who avoided Viet Nam, remember?
(TerrorDactyl) Nancy, will be able to fly light aircraft be an advantage in the aftertime/
(NancyL) ZT to Phoenix: Bush et al are constantly claiming they have numerous pieces of evidence that Iraq is lying, etc.
(NancyL) ZT: None has been forthcoming, despite direct demands by the press, on live TV, to respond to this lack.
(NancyL) ZT: What are they waiting for? NOW would seem to be the time to produce their evidence, especially since Iraq has delivered their written document!
(NancyL) ZT: Why no proof delivered? The reason is obvious. There IS no such proof.
(NancyL) ZT: Bush et al hoped that something would be discovered, that Sadam who react as he has in the past by refusing to allow inspections.
(NancyL) ZT: That the palace would be off limits, that shooting at Iraq defenses during US and British overflights would stir some reaction from Iraq.
(NancyL) ZT: None of this occurred, so the US is now left to defend their false claim.
(NancyL) ZT: They will shuffle and lie, evade and change the subject, but NOT produce what they do not have.
(NancyL) End ZT to Phoenix.
(QueenVee) NEXT QUESTION: Background: There were newspaper reports this past week about highly-classified deep-strata construction that is taking place at VP Cheney's Washington residence, on an "accelerated schedule".... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24386-2002Dec7.html)
(QueenVee) QUESTION: What is Cheney building, and is it related to the poleshift?
(NancyL) Pegasi, who said the military even wanted their latest innoculation?
(NancyL) They don't get asked.
(NancyL) Terror, via foot power, or what?
(NancyL) NO runways, NO fuel, what are you planning?
(NancyL) Beta, they think the PS will be less than the Zetas predict, as they are STS and don't trust the STO Zetas.
(Starstalker) Bush is of an age where he certainly had the smallpox vaccine as a child. He therefore would be taking little risk if re-vaccinated now.... unlike the solders he will inflict it on.
(NancyL) This is why Bush Sr. had underground installations for NASA at Houston. It will be UNDERWATER!\
(NancyL) Queen, yes I had that Q on my adenda too :-) Here's the Z's
(QueenVee) let me restate the question
(QueenVee) NEXT QUESTION: There were newspaper reports this week about ongoing deep-strata construction going on at VP Cheney's Washington residence, which is taking place on an accelerated schedule (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24386-2002Dec7.html)
(QueenVee) QUESTION: What is Cheney building, and is it related to the poleshift?
(NancyL) ZT: We have predicted that as the pole shift approaches, and earth changes begin to rattle the establishmnet, that they will be careless about their covers, and statements to the press will be more and more revealing of the truth.
(NancyL) ZT: In times past, during the Cold War, Mt. Weather was constructed right off the highway from regular Washington DC traffic, and for years the public none the wiser.
(NancyL) ZT: In those days, the coverup was PRIME, but these days, SAFETY is prime, and panic just under the surface.
(NancyL) ZT: Mt. Weather was to protect from nuclear attack, the assumption that the roadways could be cleared to allow the elite their exit.
(NancyL) ZT: The public, during the Cold War, was braced for nuclear attack, and saw the importance of nuclear deterence, thus the importance of the command and control crew in a safe place.
(NancyL) ZT: The public, then, would be expected to ALLOW the escape of the Commander in Chief.
(NancyL) ZT: What has changed?
(NancyL) ZT: The pole shift has NO need for the Commander in Chief, especially since he knew of its approach and said nothing.
(NancyL) ZT: The public, angry at being conned by this group, would be unsympatheic to the escape of the elite in the establishment, who had prepared for themselves but failed to inform the taxpayer.
(NancyL) ZT: And what would one do with an angry mob outside the residence, the military themselves distracted or perhaps rebelling?
(NancyL) ZT: The military command is expected to be onboard, but what of the soldier?
(NancyL) ZT: Has his family been considered, warned, given a safe place to go?
(NancyL) ZT: Most of the empty military grounds, rumored to be outfitted with prisons and shackles, are NOT for civilians, NOT for invading terrorists, but for the military that is likely to FAIL to fall under command, when they realize what has been done to the public and themselves, the public they were sworn to protect!
(NancyL) ZT: The elite, the Bush crowd, the swaggering generals, fear rebellion, refusal to carry out orders, and rogue military.
(NancyL) ZT: What would a Cheney DO in such a situation, in his residence, the mob at this door, and NO defenders of the presumed Commander in Chief, who took the White House by coup to save their sorry skins and allow them to attempt a world domination at this confusing time.
(NancyL) ZT: Would he emerge and face the crowd, face the music? Hardly. He's run through the tunnels to an escape route, and no excuses made anymore.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(sundar) Is Bush controlling the majority council?
(TerrorDactyl) where do the tunnels lead to
(NancyL) Sundar, what is the Majority Council?
(Superzod) Terro ...you polanning on gretying Cheny ? ::)
(Nightbird) So people needing food, housing etc would waste time trying to "get" the elite instead of learning to survive?
(sundar) you know the council of MJ12
(NancyL) ZT to Terror: The tunnels lead to several escape holes, in private homes, in various directions, and more the safer.
(NancyL) ZT: Expect Cheney dressed as an old woman, with a cane, clicking down the street in nearby subdivisions, should he truly be trapped.
(NancyL) End ZT to Terror.
(TerrorDactyl) will they cave in with the quakes?
(QueenVee) yes, good question: how safe are the structures?
(Samsara2003) lol - NEver heard the Zetas with a sense of humor before
(NancyL) NightBird, yes, we've always said the elite will GUN DOWN the taxpayer, little children and all, if they try to approach with their hands out.
(NancyL) This is not a nice crowd, at all. Utter self interest.
(NancyL) Terror, the tunnels are meant to be used BEFORE the quakes.
(QueenVee) NEXT QUESTION: ZT has said that approximately 90% of humanity will die during the poleshift and/or aftertime -- in what areas of the world will the bulk of survivors end up? Which areas will fare the worse? And how will density relate to that, if at all?
(NancyL) Density will not relate, as we are all in 3rd Density and will be for some time after the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: The 90% dieoff that we have predicted, as we have stated, will NOT occur simply because of the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: MOST will die because of depression, failure to thrive, sitting down with a slight injury and not eating or drinking, as occurs after ALL calamities.
(NancyL) ZT: Mankind is used to limited calamities, where a single city suffers a quake, or a single family a devastating fire.
(NancyL) ZT: In come the Red Cross, the rescue from neighboring towns, the assistance from neighbors.
(NancyL) ZT: GLOBAL calamities are such that NO area is prepared to go forth and rescue, and ALL sit and wait to be rescued.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, all sit and wait without rescue.
(NancyL) ZT: India will of course be affected massively, and has a high populaction density.
(NancyL) ZT: Coastal cities, Hong Kong, Japan, LA, Paris, will be drown to a great extent.
(NancyL) ZT: Cities near volcanoes, Mexico City, Japaneses cities, Rome, will have heavy dieoff from ash.
(NancyL) ZT: The next highest dieoff will be in heavily popluated areas where feeding the survivors simply cannot be done.
(NancyL) ZT: Anyone crawling from NYC will find themselves in suburbs, endless suburbs, with NO expertise in gathering or growing food.
(NancyL) ZT: Mexico City is likewise so afflicted, in the numbers it houses that cannot possible escape and dilute their numbers into the countryside, so as to feed themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: The only food available will be each other, fellow survivors.
(NancyL) ZT: The the effect of climate change must be taken into consideration.
(NancyL) ZT: Populaction along the current Bulge of Brazil will freeze, regardless of ability to survive otherwise.
(NancyL) ZT: The Himalayas, though high and cold aready, will become MORE cold due to their position in the new South Pole, and many will freeze there also.
(NancyL) ZT: In short, the highest ratio of survivors will be in rural areas where there is a low ratio of human survivor to land.
(NancyL) ZT: Second, where the populace is used to foraging for themselves, not pampered and soft such as in suburbs of cities.
(NancyL) ZT: Third, where inundation will not catch the populace unawares, as in remote Siberia, but where natural escape routes exist, such as in the Mississipii Valley.
(NancyL) ZT: An additional consideration is the placement of elite bunkers, where the elite will attempt domination over the suvivors.
(NancyL) ZT: This is likely to diminish hope for ALL there, as the kind of infighting that will occur will be so disruptive of cooperative efforts, that all will go down together with the king-pin demanding his rights.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(TerrorDactyl) won't the western countries take all they need by force from the 2nd and 3rd world to keep their citizens alive - therefore 100 percent die off in 3rd world but maybe 20 per cent die off in the west?? Is that a possibility?
(Gwilra) to +zt's: advice, please, on how to dispose of massive amounts of dead human bodies.
(Obany) And what will be a good way to prevent people to get in a state of depression. It probably will be best to do that in the time before the poleshift, so that they could deal with the aftermath in the right manner?
(Warrior2021) Hi NancyL How long we going to be in the 3th density after the PS ? Can some people enter the 4th density now ?
(QueenVee) Warrior: that has been answered in ZT
(NancyL) Terror, how do you suppose they will GET to those 2nd and 3rd world countries?
(Obany) Warrior2021: has been said in ZT that all willl go... not just a few when the earth enters 4th denstiy even those who are undecided
(Gsw11) will ET's intervene?
(Kcin) what are the prospects for trying to save/protect animal life through the PS?
(TerrorDactyl) light aircraft -lol
(NancyL) ZT to Terror: Those fearing a takeover by the elite, military units used to commandeer control, need not fear.
(Fetus) Nancy, anything about the Rocky mountains in the aftertime?
(Phoenix) Could the Z's give us any more clues to specific locations of elite conclaves?
(NancyL) ZT: Briges and rail lines will be broken, so trains or cars will NOT be moving about.
(NancyL) ZT: Planes need runways to lift off, and runways to land, and if one is in place, the other will not be.
(NancyL) ZT: Communications will be utterly disrupted, NOT satellites working, phone lines broken, and none but local communications possbile.
(NancyL) ZT: Fuel supplies will explode and burn, equipment break and be unfixable, and personnel distracted or insane of absent.
(NancyL) ZT: It is simply NOT going to be a mechanism that the elite can use, outside of themr immediate area!
(NancyL) End ZT to Terror.
(QueenVee) NEXT QUESTION: Will conditions (such as wind direction) be such that the Scandanavian countries will have volcanic ash from europe blown their way? Or will they be relatively free from heavy volcanic gloom?
(NancyL) Qwilra, nature will take its course, and bugs flourish. Eat the bugs.
(NancyL) Warrior, no, 100 years, no escape for you if that's what you presumed.
(NancyL) ZT: An analysis of where the volcanic ash will blow should be done in the following manner:
(NancyL) ZT: 1. the prevailing westerlies will reinstitute themselves ALONG the new Equator, curling away from the Equator as they do today, and returning.
(NancyL) ZT: Take the globe produced by snipping Nancy's New Geo map and turn it under your gaze, and you will see there these winds will establishem themselves.
(NancyL) ZT: 2. Volcanic ash lofts from the source, the volcano, and diminishes as it move upward.
(NancyL) ZT: The heavier ash falls amost immediately, and does not loft. The lighter ash lofts, but gets disbursed.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, those lands directly in the path of the prevailing westerlies, in the curling from the Equator manner they develop, and the return to the Equator from higher altitudes they develop, can be espected to be heavily ashed.
(NancyL) ZT: Those lands a LONG distance from such a direct path can expect to have cloudly skies, for HIGH born ash, but no heavy delivery of ash to their land.
(NancyL) ZT: We suggest that those concerned about this do their homework, as Nancy long ago produced, in the Troubled Times page on the Pole Shift, animated graphics showing this process.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Nightbird) Nancy, isn't volcano ash good fertilizer for crops?
(Serbeo) are there valcanos under the north pole that will erupt?
(Fetus) are there any unactive volcanos in the norther rockies that may erupt prior to or during the shift?
(Phoenix) Will the increased CO2 from volcanoes help or hinder plant growth?
(Cmell) the new ot the old serbeo ?
(NancyL) Nightbird, how long does it take a volcanic island to return to vegetation? CONTINUOUS ashing kills vegetation. But yes, other than that, in the future, good soil.
(Warrior2021) Around the Great Lakes is it gona be a flood after PS
(Nightbird) Ok, thank you
(NancyL) Berbeo, isn't the North Pole over ocean?
(Gsw11) what about ET's? Will they help us?
(QueenVee) Warrior: already answered in ZT
(Cmell) gsw11 that has been answered in zt
(NancyL) Fetus, the Zetas have spoken to Mt. Helen, Mamoth Lake caldera, Yellowstone, have you read the existing ZT on this?
(QueenVee) gsw: already answered in ZT
(Fetus) yes... Im talk more north.. Canada
(NancyL) Phoenix, it will help the ocean Kelp, my understanding, but land based plants are affected by the gloom, oceans move about and can be under sunlight on occasion, in places.
(Serbeo) theres a lake and land I believe
(Mugada) Is there any Australians tuned into this coming shift
(NancyL) Serbeo, ALL volcanoes active in any manner in the last 10,000 are candidate, yes, so you tell ME if something is there that qualifies.
(Cmell) yes Mugada
(Cmell) but not me :)
(Kcin) will the survivors be able to learn anything important from watching how the animals react after the PS?
(NancyL) Warrior, have you read the link called Great Lakes in the Safe Locations TOPIC? Done your homework?
(Cmell) interesting Qkcin :)
(NancyL) Mugada, many Ausies aware, yes.
(QueenVee) NANCY: That's the hour, so I won't be giving you further questions.
(Carlo) what did the ZT's think of the sifi chans show Taken
(NancyL) OK folks, this is the hour as Queen just noted, and pickup on the next chat in 30m minutes!
(Warrior2021) Nancy Can we enter 4th density in astral body even now ?
(AL) will La Palma volcano in the Canary Islands which is already damaged have an earthquake and fall in the sea causing a huge tsunami prior to the shift?
(NancyL) Bye all! Good show as usual Queen :-)
Session Close: Sat Dec 14 15:33:24 2002